All Correspondence Between Health NZ and Steve Kirsch
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From: M Bell
Dear Health New Zealand,
Please provide all available correspondence between Health New Zealand employees and Mr Steve Kirsch.
Yours faithfully,
M Bell
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From: hnzOIA
Health New Zealand
Kia ora
Thank you for your request for official information, received on 18
December 2023, for:
all available correspondence between Health New Zealand employees and Mr
Steve Kirsch.
In order to provide you with the information requested, could you please
advise if there is a specific time period you would like us to consider?
For example, all correspondence from 1 June 2023? Providing a time period
will better enable us to collate the information in a manner that is
feasible retrievable.
We appreciate you are under no obligation to amend your request, but
requests that require substantial collation may refused under section
18(f) of the Official Information Act 1982 (OIA). We want to work with you
to avoid this and ensure we are able to provide a response that best meets
your needs.
Under section 15 of the OIA, any clarification or amendments made to a
request within seven days after the date it is received, that request may
be treated as a new request and the time limit for the response restarts.
We look forward to receiving your response.
Ngā mihi
Adam McFerran ([1]he/him)
Kaitohutohu Matua | Senior Advisor, Ministerial Services
Office of the Chief Executive
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Te Whatu Ora – Health New Zealand
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From: M Bell
Hi Adam,
Since I am specifically wanting recent correspondence, please provide all correspondence since 1st September 2023.
Yours sincerely,
M Bell
From: hnzOIA
Health New Zealand
Kia ora,
Thank you for your request for information. Please find attached our
response.
If you have any questions, please get in touch at
[1][Health New Zealand request email].
If you are not happy with this response, you have the right to make a
complaint to the Ombudsman. Information about how to do this is available
at www.ombudsman.parliament.nz or by phoning 0800 802 602.
Ngā mihi nui
Adam McFerran ([2]he/him)
Kaitohutohu Matua | Senior Advisor, Ministerial Services
Office of the Chief Executive
Follow us on [3]LinkedIn | [4]Facebook | [5]Instagram
Te Whatu Ora – Health New Zealand
-----Original Message-----
From: M Bell [6][FOI #25210 email]
Sent: Friday, 22 December 2023 12:52 pm
To: hnzOIA [7][Health New Zealand request email]
Subject: Re: Refinement needed for your request for information
HNZ00034807 CRM:0419490
Hi Adam,
Since I am specifically wanting recent correspondence, please provide all
correspondence since 1st September 2023.
Yours sincerely,
M Bell
-----Original Message-----
Kia ora
Thank you for your request for official information, received on 18
December 2023, for:
all available correspondence between Health New Zealand employees and Mr
Steve Kirsch.
In order to provide you with the information requested, could you please
advise if there is a specific time period you would like us to consider?
For example, all correspondence from 1 June 2023? Providing a time
period will better enable us to collate the information in a manner that
is feasible retrievable.
We appreciate you are under no obligation to amend your request, but
requests that require substantial collation may refused under section
18(f) of the Official Information Act 1982 (OIA). We want to work with
you to avoid this and ensure we are able to provide a response that best
meets your needs.
Under section 15 of the OIA, any clarification or amendments made to a
request within seven days after the date it is received, that request may
be treated as a new request and the time limit for the response restarts.
We look forward to receiving your response.
Ngā mihi
Adam McFerran ([1]he/him)
Kaitohutohu Matua | Senior Advisor, Ministerial Services Office of the
Chief Executive Follow us on [2]LinkedIn | [3]Facebook |
[4]Instagram Te Whatu Ora – Health New Zealand
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From: M Bell
Dear hnzOIA,
How can it be true at the same time that Mr Kirsch has emailed Health NZ, and also "that there has been no correspondence between this person and any Te Whatu Ora email addresses"?
If Mr Kirsch has emailed Health NZ then at least that correspondence exists, therefore please provide this.
Yours sincerely,
M Bell
From: hnzOIA
Health New Zealand
Kia ora M Bell, thanks for your email.
Confirming that your request was for correspondence between Te Whatu Ora
and Mr Steve Kirsch. The basis of our refusal is that no correspondence
between these parties exists, because we did not reply.
I will log your latest request for "correspondence from Mr Steve Kirsch
received by Te Whatu Ora from 1 September 2023" as a new request. You will
receive an acknowledgement and reference number for this new request
shortly.
Ngâ mihi
Adam
Kaitohutohu Matua | Senior Advisor, Ministerial Services, Office of the
Chief Executive
------------------- Original Message -------------------
From: M Bell <[FYI request #25210 email]>;
Received: Tue Jan 16 2024 16:37:28 GMT+1300 (New Zealand Daylight Time)
To: hnzOIA <[email address]>; HNZ OIA <[email address]>;
Subject: Re: Response to your request for information HNZ00034807
CRM:0419534
Dear hnzOIA,
How can it be true at the same time that Mr Kirsch has emailed Health NZ,
and also "that there has been no correspondence between this person and
any Te Whatu Ora email addresses"?
If Mr Kirsch has emailed Health NZ then at least that correspondence
exists, therefore please provide this.
Yours sincerely,
M Bell
-----Original Message-----
Kia ora,
Thank you for your request for information. Please find attached our
response.
If you have any questions, please get in touch at
[1][Health New Zealand request email].
If you are not happy with this response, you have the right to make a
complaint to the Ombudsman. Information about how to do this is available
at [1]https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlo...
or by phoning 0800 802 602.
Ngâ mihi nui
Adam McFerran ([2]he/him)
Kaitohutohu Matua | Senior Advisor, Ministerial Services
Office of the Chief Executive
Follow us on [3]LinkedIn | [4]Facebook | [5]Instagram
Te Whatu Ora – Health New Zealand
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From: hnzOIA
Health New Zealand
Tēnā koe
Thank you for your email of 16 January 2024, asking for correspondence
from Mr Steve Kirsch received by Te Whatu Ora from 1 September 2023 under
the Official Information Act 1982 (the Act).
This email is to let you know that Te Whatu Ora needs more time to make a
decision on your request.
The Act requires that we advise you of our decision on your request no
later than 20 working days after the day we received your request.
Unfortunately, it will not be possible to meet that time limit and we are
therefore writing to notify you of an extension of the time to make our
decision, to 28 February 2024.
This extension is required because the consultations necessary to make a
decision on your request are such that a proper response cannot reasonably
be made within the original time limit.
If you have any questions, please contact us at [1][Health New Zealand request email].
If you are not happy with this extension, you have the right to make a
complaint to the Ombudsman. Information about how to do this is available
at [2]www.ombudsman.parliament.nz or by phoning 0800 802 602.
Ngā mihi
Adam McFerran ([3]he/him)
Ministerial Services
Health New Zealand | Te Whatu Ora
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From: M Bell
Dear hnzOIA,
Hi Adam, as the original request was correspondence in either direction, if there has been subsequent correspondence sent to Steve Kirsch please also include that in the coming response.
Please also include correspondence from any 3rd party proxies acting on behalf of Health NZ in this matter, if applicable.
Yours sincerely,
M Bell
From: hnzOIA
Health New Zealand
Tēnā koe
Please find attached our response to your request.
If you have any questions, please get in touch at
[1][Health New Zealand request email].
If you are not happy with this response, you have the right to make a
complaint to the Ombudsman. Information about how to do this is available
at [2]www.ombudsman.parliament.nz or by phoning 0800 802 602.
Ngā mihi,
Adam McFerran
Government Services
[3][Health New Zealand request email]
Health New Zealand | Te Whatu Ora
-----Original Message-----
From: M Bell <[FOI #25210 email]>
Sent: Wednesday, 14 February 2024 1:55 pm
To: hnzOIA <[Health New Zealand request email]>
Subject: Re: Te Whatu Ora needs more time to make a decision on your
request HNZ00036199 CRM:0419648
Dear hnzOIA,
Hi Adam, as the original request was correspondence in either direction,
if there has been subsequent correspondence sent to Steve Kirsch please
also include that in the coming response.
Please also include correspondence from any 3rd party proxies acting on
behalf of Health NZ in this matter, if applicable.
Yours sincerely,
M Bell
-----Original Message-----
Tēnā koe
Thank you for your email of 16 January 2024, asking for correspondence
from Mr Steve Kirsch received by Te Whatu Ora from 1 September 2023 under
the Official Information Act 1982 (the Act).
This email is to let you know that Te Whatu Ora needs more time to make
a decision on your request.
The Act requires that we advise you of our decision on your request no
later than 20 working days after the day we received your request.
Unfortunately, it will not be possible to meet that time limit and we
are therefore writing to notify you of an extension of the time to make
our decision, to 28 February 2024.
This extension is required because the consultations necessary to make a
decision on your request are such that a proper response cannot
reasonably be made within the original time limit.
If you have any questions, please contact us at [1][Health New Zealand
request email].
If you are not happy with this extension, you have the right to make a
complaint to the Ombudsman. Information about how to do this is available
at
[2]https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlo...
or by phoning 0800 802 602.
Ngā mihi
Adam McFerran ([3]he/him)
Ministerial Services
Health New Zealand | Te Whatu Ora
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M Bell left an annotation ()
Agree Chris. It is pretty clear Kirsch is correct in his analysis, and it is all publicly available on his substack (https://kirschsubstack.com/). HNZ and MoH have admitted that they have not analyzed or debunked any of the claims of Kirsch, have also admitted the data is genuine, hence Kirsch is correct that now, if not before, CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE applies on their part.
The raw anonymized data from linked information is in the public domain, download instructions are on the Kirsch substack so anyone can view the actual graphs or crunch the numbers from first principles, it is as clear as anything that there is an attempted cover up going on.
Chris McCashin left an annotation ()
So what can we actually do? Sadly people are still taking it (not many by sounds) but it is criminal and they need to be saved from themselves firstly by stopping that rubbish. What sort of people are running these organizations. Guess they are in too deep because I suspect they have all been aware of things from day one.
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Chris McCashin left an annotation ()
This is damning - ample opportunity to disprove what Mr Kirsch is alleging. This is an admission of guilt. Shame on all the MOH workers cc’d on those emails. Do these people think the sudden and unexplained deaths will stop if they lock up the whistleblower and scrub the internet?! We need a criminal investigation not a commission
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